The author Hervé Ryssen grants an interview to Jérôme Bourbon for the French political review Rivarol
Your ninth book has been published this week. This time you look at eschatology. Could you first of all explain to us what eschatology is ?
To put it simply, eschatology is the study of “end times”. In the three great monotheist religions – Judaism, Christianity and Islam – there is the belief that our world was created by God but that one day it must end. Catastrophes, wars and all sorts of terrifying prophecies are found in each of the great traditions as well as in ancient Aryan tradition and in Nordic mythology. From the ultimate war against the forces of evil, a new world will be reborn, from which the non-believers and heretics will have been banished. We find the same pattern every time.
What have you learnt from your research ? Given the close relationship between the three religions, can we say it’s possible to conceive a common future?
Eschatology teaches us precisely that the three religions are incompatible with one another for the very simple reason that their visions of the future differ on one particular and fundamental point : in the end, one – and only one – must triumph. The others must convert (in the case of Christianity and Islam) or quite simply disappear. Indeed, the Jews do not have this desire to convert the others to Judaism. The propaganda of certain Jewish intellectuals (what they say, their films, their novels, etc) consists of discrediting among non-Jews the idea of religion, race, homeland and any feeling of belonging in order to elevate the Jews above the mass of goys. Once all the nations have been destroyed and transformed into multi-cultural societies, once all the religions have been annihilated, and once a world government has been established – probably after a world war – an “absolute and final” peace will reign on earth, according to them. It is then that their much awaited messiah will come. The Jews will have kept their traditions and so will be recognised by all as being “God’s chosen people”.
But Jewish supremacism is no exception. The Muslims also seek to dominate this world.
There is, indeed, in Islam the idea that the whole world must submit and accept the message of the Holy Prophet. But, as I was saying, it is a question of converting others. Islam is not a closed sect, like Judaism, but is an open and universalist religion, similar to Christianity for that matter. But we must not forget that the Koran mentions several times the idea of fighting the infidel, with weapons if necessary.
Certain French patriots believe that, faced with the rise of Islam in Europe, the Jews, or certain Jews at least, can be allies. What’s your opinion on this?
For some ten years now, we have seen a handful of Jews, who were at one time fervent supporters of immigration, turn their guns and transform themselves, magically, into super French patriots, “more French than the French”, ever since they realised that all those Muslim immigrants, whom they helped to get into the country, are not necessarily their friends. Moreover, the rhetoric against “Islamic fascism” (Bernard-Henry Lévy used the term fascislamisme as early as 2006) is a way of mentally preparing people for a war against Iran, a country which does not threaten the French in a way at all, but which is an obstacle for the Zionist state in the Middle East.
How do Muslim theologians envisage the end of this battle between the Western world and Zionism ?
Theologians, such as Imran Hosein, have perfectly understood that the “Christian” West is today very much Jewish owing to a constant stream of cosmopolitan propaganda in the media. “Abortion, homosexuality, lesbianism, adultery are all legal today…” he writes. He quite rightly says that the Europeans “have become Jewish”. He also vehemently condemns moves by the West to establish a world government. For him, in any case, things are very clear : God punished the Jews with a Babylonian army ; he punished them a second time with a Roman army; the third punishment will be a Muslim army, only this time it will be for real!
As for the Christians, who have not been able to protect themselves from Jewish nihilism, they will be obliged to stop venerating Jesus as if he were God and “will be forced to recognise him as a prophet”. Here we can see a difference in tone between the Muslims, who recognise Jesus as a prophet, and the Jews who, in the Talmud, insult Christ and consider that he is the son of a prostitute and a Roman solider. In Muslim eschatology, Jesus is sometimes considered to be the “Mahdi “(he who is guided by God), who will defeat the Anti-Christ at the end of time. For the Muslims also have the idea of an “Anti-Christ”. They call him the “Dajjal” and, as in Christianity, the Anti-Christ, who will persecute the faithful before finally being defeated, will come from the Jewish sect.
According to you, what are the differences between Christian eschatology and Muslim eschatology?
The essential difference is that the Muslims, like the Jews, believe in a triumph in this world, whereas the Christians, in particular the Catholics, seem to have renounced all idea of a victory in this world. Catholic eschatology is not clear, to tell the truth, and does not stir people into action in the same way as eschatology does for the Jews or for the Shia Muslims, who strive to bring the messiah to this world. A very small number of texts suggest the evangelisation of all nations, the Church’s “sixth age”, which precedes the great apostasy, as described by Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser. We read that, in the following age, that of the Anti-Christ, “the only victory possible for the Christians in these terrible times will be to be defeated, persecuted, tormented and put to death, while remaining true, faithful and resolute”. This is revealing. We see that Christians are morally defenceless and that they are turned into martyrs, whereas they could have been heroes.
‘The Fall of Angels’ – Georges Chastelain, 1470
In the Conciliar Church, in accordance with the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), the eschatology is even less galvanising. This time, the Church seems to have taken up the cause of Judaism. It must be humble and seems to be waiting impatiently for world government and the reign of the Anti-Christ! What about the conversion of Jews? This is postponed for the end of time and is never due to the evangelical zeal of Catholics. There is therefore no messianic activism. “Nobody will miss our gothic cathedrals”, fruit of our “pride”, writes a theologian with the authorisation of the diocese of Paris. We really do get the impression that there is a death wish. In such circumstances, therefore, it is not surprising to see our enemies gaining ground while we retreat.
What of the pagan “Weltanschaung” ? Could you tell us a little about this?
The pagan world is generally based on an eschatology which is very pacific. It is very easy to understand why. For decades, the intellectual leader of this school of thought, Alain Benoist, has continued to trot out the idea that pre-Christian history in Europe was cyclical and not linear, and all the adherents of this movement, following him, have repeated ad nauseam Nietzsche’s phrase: “We must not hold back what must fall, but push it”. This means that, quite naturally, a number of militants within this movement believe that the best thing to do is to watch this civilisation die and even encourage its demise, as they are convinced that a new cycle will begin once everything has been destroyed. They no longer even realise that, at the end of the cycle, the white man will be dead and buried and they will have left the door open to their enemies.
The “traditionalists”, who are less political in their way of thinking, are followers of René Guénon and Julius Evola. According to this school of thought, history is a long decline, a gradual separation from the “Primordial Tradition”, and this has been the case for tens of thousands of years (or for several hundreds of thousands, depending on the many different interpretations!)
Following the Golden Age, there was the Silver Age and then the Bronze Age. We are today in the fourth and final age, the Iron Age, which has lasted for more than six thousand years, but which will soon come to an end and complete the great cycle. We have to wait for it all to end, asserts Julius Evola; it is absolutely futile to attempt to do anything to fight against the tide of decline!
With this mind, we understand better why the Jews and the Muslims are in the ascendant! Everything comes down to eschatology.
Aside from that, in the third chapter, I give some ideas which will, I think, allow readers to understand the workings of the psychological war which we must fight. In short, for us, to doubt is tantamount to betrayal!
Hervé Ryssen was interviewed by Jérôme Bourbon, editor-in-chief of Rivarol
La Guerre eschatologique is published by Baskerville (April 2013, 192 pages)
Interview translated from French